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Economists say U.S. economy suffering crisis of confidence, not recession
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GlobeSt.com and its parent, Real Estate Media Network, hosted  “The U.S. Economy Crisis and Cures,” an economic briefing today with top economists from Ernst & Young, Moody’s, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, CB Richard Ellis and Marcus & Millichap to discuss the current economy and its impact on the commercial real estate industry.  Following are highlights of the presentation:
 

  • The general consensus is that we are experiencing a crisis in confidence, not a crisis in market fundamentals.  The numbers indicate a mild downturn, not a recession.
    • The economy has been steadily contracting since December 2007, with housing and the financial sector the leading indicators.
    • Though we haven’t yet met the definition for a recession (two consecutive quarters of negative GDP), the overall impression is that of a slowdown, impacting nearly all sectors
    • The downturn is in line with expectations and less severe than previous recessions

 

  • To date, job losses have been smaller than in previous recessions (notably the 1991 and 2001 recessions), leading to a less severe employment situation
    • The slower economy is typically attributed to six straight months of job losses, the continual plunge of home prices, and the impact of the credit crunch (particularly the rise in the risk spread)

 

  • Economists agree that the last two quarters of 2008 will see a slowdown or drop in economic productivity, and that recovery will pick up steam in 2009
    • A poll taken during the webcast found the majority agree that the economy will improve by the third quarter of 2009
    • Headline inflation is likely to spike again in the short-term, and will slow in 2009
    • Inflation rates are expected to rise, as the Federal Reserve is challenged with issues on both the economic growth and inflation sides of the equation, and economists try to gauge how prices and wage pressures are going to hold up with increased inflation
    • The economy will reset to where we were in 2004, as opposed to the boom years of 2006 and 2007

 

  • In overall terms, the financial sector is demonstrating its strong fundamentals
    • Underwriting for loans and mortgages has normalized, returning to how it was before the real estate bubble, mostly due to the Fed stepping in
    • Financing is available, but if you can get credit it is more expensive
    • This change in underwriting has tremendous implications for economic growth and recovery, as access to new capital is a key factor in growth

 

  • The commercial real estate market will see an increase in vacancies of 1-1.5 percentage points, but that increase is on a fairly healthy supply base
    • The market is in for some erosion of its fundamentals, as the economists are keeping a close eye on sublease numbers
    • Most expect to see weakness, not a hit, in market fundamentals
    • The industrial market is strongest overall, followed by office.
    • Existing CMBS is in very little distress, though 25-30% of today’s commercial debt comes from the CMBS market
    • The psychological aspect of the downturn comes into play with leasing demand, as most investors are sitting on the sidelines waiting to see where the market will go, and job losses will be way below trend
    • Prices have adjusted downward by approximately 15%

 

  • Economic recovery will come from a stabilization in energy and food prices, and establishing a new balance for the economy
    • The ‘dull’ downturn will have a ‘dull’ recovery, and will take another year to play out

 Gail Heist
NAI Kowallis & Mackey
www.NAIBoise.com 

Posted by Gail Heist at 7/25/2008 2:53 PM Permalink | Trackback
Comments (3)
Re:Economists say U.S. economy suffering crisis of confidence, not recession
Wow, are you just trying to provoke me...

I am too tired for a detailed response, but I can say every indicator I have is that things will be a lot worse for a lot longer.

A few things-
- First, rates are moving higher (Thank the housing bailout that will stick the taxpayer with 1.3T of bad loans banks can't sell.) FYI this is why lots of lenders have been holding back default notices and foreclosures...so they can put it back to the taxpayer via FREFNM. I am expecting to see the 10 YR at 4.7-5.2 by years end which will put real mort rates much higher (and I dont expect any Fed raises on rates)

- Foreign growth (on of the big engines) has really really slowed. The news turned ugly for the EU-UK in just the last 2 months, and Asia is much weaker this year. Thats been helping multi national corporates for H1 and its going soon

- Look at good gauges for biz activity. Paper sales (the gas for biz) are down >10% this year, Staples, Depot and Max are all seeing significant same store sales drops. Thats the economy folks.

- Two more banks failed today. Little ones...one in NewPort beach and one in Iowa I think. Multiple majors are trading at death
DID YOU SEE WAMU. Their bonds are paying 32%!!! If you believe they will survive, this is the investment of the century!!! Credit default on these guys is 5 up front 16.5/17.5. Very very ugly...and they are one of many

I could go on. Big news is the FRE/FNM thing. Taxpayers are going to get killed. Did you see S&P calling it 1.3T and THREATENING THE AAA CREDIT STATUS OF THE USA! This is all to bailout the pigmen on Wallstreet! Period, they will dump all the toxic crap they have on our agencies. IT WILL DO 0 FOR HOUSING AS GOV DEBT YIELDS ARE SET TO SOAR, and they are the basis for mortgage rates. Do not believe this is for Americans and to help housing...it is to help corporate execuitves who made millions in bonuses!

Raise cash
Get out of debt,especially adjustable debt
Be prepared to live on 1/3 or 1/2 your income
Beware of your investments...lots of bad paper needs to go somewhere (just ask the ARS investors who thought they were buying conservative stuff)
No more than 100K in any bank ( personal and biz)

Do you think I am crazy? Well I posted on various places at the end of last summer that housing prices would fall (haha I was laughed at)...I said 15-30%...(I was name called)...I said get out of the stock market about 20% higher ago..(I was called a doomer)...I said banks were lying and would fail.

- I am not a genius, I just read the 10Q rather than CNBC, I tracked default rates and CDS spreads rather than listen to NAR

You can blame things on some 'mentality of gloom and doom" or you can read the statements, financials etc...

Oh, JPM, WM, WB- all saying subprime is stabalizing...its PRIME thats fallen off the cliff

THERE IS ONLY 1 time IN MODERN HISTORY that the country, business and the consumer has had the same level of debt and leverage. That was the end of the 1920's.

Go beyond the headlines:
Hank Paulson late 2007- "Strongest economy he has every seen"
Ben Bernanke 2007 "Subprime is contained"
NAR "National housing prices will never go down"

Look at actions:
Ben - using more and more T's to swap for bad collateral (more and more needed as debt gets worse and worse)
Hank- demanding the bailout asap...no debate go go go ...do youe smell fear
NAR- whatever

Oh and oil/nat gas cracking...thats demand destruction worldwide. One of the few bright spots in the economy
_________________________________
So what am I just a gloomy person...are we all done?

We MUST force regulators/gov etc to get rid of the lies. Force proper accounting, no Level III hideaways, no SIV's off balance sheet in the Caymans (see Enron for how that ends), no taxpayer bailouts to support housing at unaffordable levels. WE CANNOT AVOID THE DESTRUCTION OF BAD DEBT, FALSE VALUATIONS etc... We need to let firms FAIL like FRE, FNM, banks, etc... Look at Japan to see how 'pretending' banks are solvent for a decade worked.

The difference is between a severe resession and all out depression. I am afraid our lawmakers are pushing us to the later
Posted by emdeplam on 7/25/2008 11:50 PM
Re:Economists say U.S. economy suffering crisis of confidence, not recession
I urge readers to go to
http://www.fedupusa.org/
Watch the video, write call congress if you choose! The really listen
Posted by emdeplam on 7/26/2008 3:16 AM
Re:Economists say U.S. economy suffering crisis of confidence, not recession
I kinda figured emdeplan would have something to say about that posting. :)

I was talking to a developer a few weeks ago who shared a story with me and since I just acquired a property recently, I can confirm most of what he said:

He's been doing business with the same banker & bank for years now and it was time to renew his loans. He said it got pretty much like a war time interrogation. He said they lowered a light over his head until he was sweating from the heat and the questions. He also said he didn't actually see the cigarette butt, but he was pretty sure he could feel it near his forehead as they were about to put it out on his head (I'm pretty sure he was embellishing at this point, but it was a great story and his point was clear).

About two days after his loans were renewed, his banker called & he recognized the caller ID. Instead of the customary nicities, he just answered "what?". It was indeed his banker who in a pathetic voice just asked if he could talk to him as he needed someone to talk to. He had to inform 3 people that day alone that their loans would not be renewed.

Ain't nobody having fun.... to take a line from Mr. Obvious, We definately have a liquidity problem and I'm not sure bailing out people who made bad business decisions is the way to go in the long run, but I won't go down that path here.

Perceptions and confindence are important, to be sure, but there's a little more at play than that at the moment isn't there?

I do agree that industrial & office products are doing well. I really feel sorry (no fooling, I really do) for many of the unanchored strip mall investors. Ouch. There needs to be some real pricing correction in that market segment, in my humble opinion. Same with some of the office products as well, but to a much smaller degree.

Although it may not sound like it, but for those people who have their financial matters in order, we're going to see some distressed sales in the commercial market; we've already seen some and I think we're going to see more. Last year, about this time we were hearing the financial market tell us we will have a tough year ahead of us. Now, a year later, we're hearing that we probably have 5 quarters of tough times ahead ofus.

There will be some good acquisition opportunities in the upcoming year, in my opinion. Keep your powder dry (but not too dry, now). Oh, and be kind to your banker.

Good luck to all.
Posted by Scott Nicholson on 7/30/2008 6:19 PM
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